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Mount&Blade Expansion => Mod Graveyard => A Shield Lying On The Water => Topic started by: Satyr on February 06, 2007, 06:48:00 PM

Title: Tier Tree
Post by: Satyr on February 06, 2007, 06:48:00 PM
Common Youth
-->Honseli Spearman
-->-->Experienced Honseli Spearman
-->-->-->Elite Honseli Spearman
-->Archer
-->-->Experienced Archer
-->-->-->Elite Archer

Common Maiden
-->Young Dancer
-->-->Dancer
-->-->-->Famous Dancer
-->-->-->-->Legendary Dancer

Soltalline Youth
-->Soltalline Squire
-->-->Soltalline Knight
-->-->-->Elite Soltalline Knight
-->-->-->-->Karachine Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Karachine General
-->-->-->-->Aimaine Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Aimaine General
-->-->Swordsman
-->-->-->Elite Swordsman
-->-->-->-->Sword Master
-->Young Hunter
-->-->Forester
-->-->-->Veteran Forester
-->-->-->-->Elite Forester
-->-->Hunter
-->-->-->Veteran Hunter
-->-->-->-->Elite Hunter

Soltalline Maiden
-->Young Huntress
-->-->Huntress
-->-->-->Experienced Huntress
-->-->-->-->Elite Huntress
-->-->-->Mounted Huntress
-->Young Household Guard
-->-->Household Guard
-->-->-->Elite Household Guard
-->-->-->-->Fish Speaker

Ajarine Youth
-->Ajarine Squire
-->-->Ajarine Knight
-->-->-->Veteran Ajarine Knight
-->-->-->-->Ajarine Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Ajarine General
-->-->-->-->Chanurin Mujahidin
-->-->Ajarine Scout
-->-->-->Veteran Ajarine Scout
-->-->-->-->Elite Ajarine Scout
-->-->-->-->Ayrunine Paladin
-->Ajarine Skirmisher
-->-->Mounted Archer
-->-->-->Veteran Mounted Archer
-->-->-->-->Elite Mounted Archer
-->-->-->-->Kobulais Paladin

Noble Maiden
-->Young Household Knight
-->-->Household Knight
-->-->-->Veteran Household Knight
-->-->-->-->Female Paladin

Thank you to Hardrada for this section:

Young Priest
-->Priest
-->-->Experienced Priest

Galine Youth
-->Mercenary Squire
-->-->Mercenary
-->-->-->Galine Knight
-->-->-->-->Galine Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Galine General
-->-->Galine Scout
-->-->-->Veteran Galine Scout
-->-->-->-->Elite Galine Scout
-->Infantry Squire
-->-->Galine Infantryman
-->-->-->Elite Galine Infantryman

Siavic Youth
-->Siavic Squire
-->-->Siavic Knight
-->-->-->Veteran Siavic Knight
-->-->-->-->Siavic Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Siavic General
-->-->-->Veteran Raplan Knight
-->-->-->-->Raplan Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Raplan General
-->-->Raplan Knight
-->-->-->Veteran Raplan Knight
-->-->-->-->Raplan Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Raplan General
-->-->-->Veteran Siavic Knight
-->-->-->-->Siavic Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Siavic General

Lunnic Youth
-->Lunnic Squire
-->-->Lunnic Knight
-->-->-->Veteran Lunnic Knight
-->-->-->-->Lunnic Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Lunnic General
-->-->-->-->Kinunnin Paladin
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Tuckles on February 07, 2007, 03:31:38 AM
Wow, nice one.

Though I'm kinda wondering about these:

Quote
Ajarine Youth
-->Ajarine Squire
-->-->Ajarine Knight
-->-->-->Veteran Ajarine Knight
-->-->-->-->Ajarine Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Ajarine General
-->-->Ajarine Scount
-->-->-->Veteran Ajarine Scount
-->-->-->-->Elite Ajarine Scount
-->-->-->-->Ayrunine Paladin
-->Ajarine Skirmisher
-->-->Mounted Archer
-->-->-->Veteran Mounted Archer
-->-->-->-->Elite Mounted Archer
-->-->-->-->Kobulais Paladin

Is it really an Ayrunine Paladin? isn't it Ajarine? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh and also, use spelled scout wrong, just thought I'd give you a heads-up

Also

Can anyone get Lunnic, Sivaic and Aimarine? Just in case someone wants to join those factions.
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Satyr on February 07, 2007, 05:40:06 AM
I'll do them when I'm bothered :p
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: ex_ottoyuhr on February 07, 2007, 09:15:25 PM
Ah, I should've posted that; sorry to have put you through all that work, Satyr. (This is getting stickied, of course. :))

There's a bit of a typo with "Ajarine Scout," but yes, they do upgrade to their own variety of paladin at the top tier -- Ayrunine Paladins are weaker than the normal Ajarine, but have tracking/pathfinding/spotting skill. I don't know whether that helps the player's party, but I'm pretty sure it's useful for NPCs...
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: SlightFeelingOfRegret on February 10, 2007, 10:08:44 AM
Soltalline Maiden
-->Young Huntress
-->-->Huntress
-->-->-->Experienced Huntress
-->-->-->-->Elite Huntress
-->-->-->-->Mounted Huntress
-->Young Household Guard
-->-->Household Guard
-->-->-->Elite Household Guard
-->-->-->-->Fish Speaker


 Fish speaker, seriously? Is this mod translated from another language? I haven't had a chance to play it yet but I don't think I'd make that last upgrade if they were called Fish Speaker.
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: atilladahun on February 10, 2007, 11:21:10 AM
What exactly are the dancers for? i mean are they just warriros or do they serve some kind sof purpose?

P.S. the fish speakers just annoy the hell outta me.

P.S.S. Good job with everything else :D
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: ex_ottoyuhr on February 11, 2007, 05:54:31 PM
SlightFeelingOfRegret,

I take it you're not that familiar with the Dune universe. :)

atilladahun,

I don't think the dancers are working quite as intended. They have a lot of extra-combat skills, and were intended to be 'utility' fighters rather along the lines of the extremely useful dancers of FE4, but it kind of hasn't worked very well...

With Fish Speakers annoying the heck out of you, do you mean the name, or the combatants, or both? :)
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Hardrada on February 11, 2007, 09:28:28 PM
Here are the other Tier trees, which should now cover all troop types, at least until ex_ottoyuhr decides to change something.

Young Priest
-->Priest
-->-->Experienced Priest

Galine Youth
-->Mercenary Squire
-->-->Mercenary
-->-->-->Galine Knight
-->-->-->-->Galine Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Galine General
-->-->Galine Scout
-->-->-->Veteran Galine Scout
-->-->-->-->Elite Galine Scout
-->Infantry Squire
-->-->Galine Infantryman
-->-->-->Elite Galine Infantryman

Siavic Youth
-->Siavic Squire
-->-->Siavic Knight
-->-->-->Veteran Siavic Knight
-->-->-->-->Siavic Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Siavic General
-->-->-->Veteran Raplan Knight (etc)
-->-->Raplan Knight
-->-->-->Veteran Raplan Knight
-->-->-->-->Raplan Paladin
-->-->-->Veteran Siavic Knight (etc)

Lunnic Youth
-->Lunnic Squire
-->-->Lunnic Knight
-->-->-->Veteran Lunnic Knight
-->-->-->-->Lunnic Paladin
-->-->-->-->-->Lunnic General
-->-->-->-->Kinunnin Paladin

A couple of minor corrections to Satyr's list:  Veteran Ajarine Knights can also upgrade to Chanurin Mujahidin, and Mounted Huntress is an upgrade from Huntress, not Experienced Huntress.
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: ex_ottoyuhr on February 11, 2007, 10:35:06 PM
I really should've posted this myself. My apologies -- and please, everyone, don't do 'capsule' descriptions of the troop types. I can at least do that much, and make up that far for my slowness with all this...
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Satyr on February 12, 2007, 06:46:09 AM
Sorry I haven't been playing ASLOW.

Thanks Hardrada.

Don't worry about it ex_otto.
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Cirdan on February 13, 2007, 08:57:21 AM
Ex_o: the problem with dancers is that only heroes can contribute party skills, and even they do not get any use out of non-party non-combat skills--although you could code in situations where they do. So that, at the end of the day, dancers are just a useless upgrade line, especially since they never get any good equipment, which is actually more important than levesl in M&B.
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Tuckles on February 14, 2007, 01:23:47 AM
Well, you COULD make dancers heroes. :P
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Cirdan on February 15, 2007, 10:53:28 AM
Nope. Can't have multiple instances of the same hero, or else Bad Things TM will happen.
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Hellequin on February 15, 2007, 01:04:05 PM
There are other ways, though.  They can't contribute party skills directly but you could readily write code to count dancers and raise the player's skills accordingly, for instance.  (Or that of the most skilled hero in the party, or whatever.)  Not hard at all.
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Cirdan on February 15, 2007, 03:10:47 PM
True--there'd be some caveats, for instance because increasing a skill by more than ten is another recipe for the Bad Things TM, but it's entirely possible. Another approach would be to give dancers a special dialogue where they can do things for you which are impossible without having dancers. I'm sure we can trust Ex_ottoyuhr to make dancers useful in future versions; I was just pointing out they are useless now.
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: ex_ottoyuhr on February 16, 2007, 10:32:59 AM
Huh... I suppose there's more trouble down that upgrade path than I'd thought. Yeah, I'll implement some means of making them useful, but I really thought that non-hero skills made a difference for the party...

(Do they benefit NPCs, at least?)
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Silver on March 04, 2007, 09:24:46 AM
The only known difference is that a troop with higher pathfinding walks faster on the world map, but it only counts for that troop, and it isn't much, so unless almost your complete party was dancers and they all had pathfinding 10 the difference would be hard to notice.
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: atilladahun on March 06, 2007, 01:27:31 PM
SlightFeelingOfRegret,

I take it you're not that familiar with the Dune universe. :)

atilladahun,

I don't think the dancers are working quite as intended. They have a lot of extra-combat skills, and were intended to be 'utility' fighters rather along the lines of the extremely useful dancers of FE4, but it kind of hasn't worked very well...

With Fish Speakers annoying the heck out of you, do you mean the name, or the combatants, or both? :)
more or less both :green:
Title: Re: Tier Tree
Post by: Calradian on January 18, 2008, 07:28:29 AM
ha ha so easy to conquest enemy cities ,early they have one man garrison                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            P.S Great job...in all mods i have this is one what i like more                                                                   P.S.S Sorry for the english ,I'm Brazilian no way to a good english