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Re: Total War Series and Real War
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2009, 09:35:03 AM »
oh, so the only way to actually for Hannibal to have a chance to destroy Rome was when Hasdrubal invades Italy. (it makes me wonder, what if there was a MAJOR combined assualt of gauls carthaginians, and macedonians invaded Rome.)

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Re: Total War Series and Real War
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2009, 09:59:36 AM »
Well, the Roman empire was eventually kicked in by force from the outside ... but it was a combination of Huns, Goths, and Vandals that finally got them (plus constant pressure from Persia, which more or less prompted the division of the Empire into Rome and the Byzantine Empire so that somebody would still be in charge of dealing with the Persians).  Could such a military takeover have happened earlier, had an endless string of attackers hit them?  I doubt the records exist to make a case for that, one way or the other.

But realistically, it is unlikely that empires who actively hated each other could have ever agreed to attack anybody simultaneously.  The Germanic invasions were not organized - they were just nomads moving west because there were even worse people behind them (the Tartars and the Mongols), who were pushed into conflict with Rome just because Rome was there.  It is doubtful that they would have just agreed to start beating on Rome, had they actually owned a place to call home.  Likewise, in the early Roman Republic, for example, Gaul would have no reason to support the Macedonians or Carthage ... because even if they got together and beat Rome, then the Gauls would just have to fight Macedonia or Carthage.  That's just not the way politics works.

Another thing that bugs me about computer strategy games ... you seldom see a message like "your people are tired of fighting and are going to start refusing to join the army unless they start seeing some benefits from this war."  Where, realistically, that's a pretty common situation.  Most real people don't think about political maneuvering with the objective of taking over the world ... their idea of good foreign policy is one where they personally don't have to go and fight (or if they do, it's for a darn good reason).

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Re: Total War Series and Real War
« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2009, 12:49:42 PM »
oh, so the only way to actually for Hannibal to have a chance to destroy Rome was when Hasdrubal invades Italy. (it makes me wonder, what if there was a MAJOR combined assualt of gauls carthaginians, and macedonians invaded Rome.)

Well, this they actually tried in a way. Hannibal roamed Italy for 15 years before returning to Carthage. In the meantime a couple of Greek cities in the south of Italy rebelled against Roman rule and Phillip of Macedon started the first Macedonian war against Rome. Roman resources were stretched so to say. After many defeats the Romans decided to quit trying to defeat Hannibal directly and started a war of attrition against him. Denying him as much resources as possible while simultaneously attacking Carthaginian forces in Iberia and Sicily so Carthage couldn't spare any men to send to him to take Rome. The Romans also arranged for the assassination of Hasdrubal, which cost Hannibal a great amount of political influence. So practically as well as politically, gaining reinforcements became impossible for him and he had to leave Italy eventually.

It seems like Rome was about to be brought to it's knees, but think about this. At the final real battle the Romans fought with Hannibal at Cannae they lost 50.000-70.000 men. Since most of the Roman government was based around the army, these losses also included many senators, both consuls, some quaestors and tribunes. This amounted to losing 20-30% of the complete governing body of Rome at the time. Yet Rome was still too big to invade. They had men left to defend Italy, attack Macedon, Iberia and Sicily at the same time. Think about what a huge amount of resources and manpower that represents and decide if Hannibal really was such an idiot not to invade Rome.

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2009, 08:48:21 PM »
Personally Hannibal was the only good general of Carthage, I mean if you look at all the other generals that were nonthing compared to the average Roman general, Carthage only had a chance with Hannibal but that was only one great general and in the end they were about to betray him.

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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2009, 04:04:57 PM »
The main advantage the Roman military had was that of an incredible effective organization. Like every civilization they had their great and poor generals.

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Re: Total War Series and Real War
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2009, 08:46:57 PM »
anyone wanting to join my team? no one is posting a reply on my topic. too bad my bro banned me form taleworlds. Anyway I was wondering if someone can just announce the making of this mod The American Civil war mod. (its in new mods/announcments) and give link to it. I really need a TEAM. (MY NEXT MOD WILL BE ABOUT BYZANTINE IN THE CRUSADES)

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2009, 11:08:10 AM »
I have every MTW there is and I fail to see the reality, But then again I suppose like you said it is rather hard controlling everyone of your soldiers. I mean C'mon if I got money everytime someone did not do as I told them...I'd be the freaking richest man ever. Anyway enough of my rambling. I do think the gun warefare is far more realistic, enless of course your army of three teams of Musketeers is charged by 1 group pf horsemen your technicly screwed, Not so much as losing but you'll take a hell of a loss on there first charge. But thats just what I'd have to guess would happen in reality.
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